Chan Ding ( Zazen) Tai Chi

11 10 2010

I have a new Tai Chi student, one of LZ’s buds. We had our first class the other day. Generally when I get students for Tai Chi I know what they are looking for for the most part. On this case I did not since I did not speak with her about studying before hand.

I find it is a good practice to have some type of interview with new students to see what they are expecting, their goals that sort of thing. Not just to pay the money and start training. I do not get to do that in the Park & Rec classes, the students just show up and I give them a lecture so they know what is up.

Few come to Tai Chi to learn self defense at least self defense in terms of physical combat skill. Mental and health defense/well being, yes. In my interview with the new student, Yo-San, I also got to access my own current view of Tai Chi and the teaching of it and mythology.

Back in the day it was all about physical training on being smooth, the flow the underlying applications. We would just start with the form. After training with Sisuk it shifted to more body awareness and it’s full use. Body, waist Tan Tien to move the arms. Use of the Tan Tien more, Tai Chi walk became the starting point, along with breath.

After doing Chen for the last several years, I find my starting point has again shifted. As an internal art, internal should be a deeper starting point than even telling the student focus on the Tan Tien when doing the Tai Chi walk. They need to understand, to get a feel for the Tan Tien location, beyond an intellectual location.  Meditation, Chan Ding is a better starting point, IMHO. Finding the Tan Tien, becoming aquaited with it, linking it with the mind, then the body movements. This is I feel a better path. Sitting, belly breathing, Tai Chi walk and stance is a better foundation for growing the flowering bamboo of Tai Chi. This is akin to understanding the 8 steps of Kyudo before shooting or the 8 stance drills in the Tai Chi Praying Mantis System before doing anything. Sitting Chan Ding / belly breathing / Tai Chi walk = Ashibumi, Dozukuri, Yagamae, etc.

In traditional Kung Fu, Karate, Kyudo the first things studied are the stances, grounding ( Ashibumi, Dozukuri ). I think though as Tai Chi is classed as an internal art one should start with the core of internal. Meditation and breath then expand outward to stances and movement. Kyudo even though a Border Art, meaning both internal and external, it still starts it training from an external position, at least in what I have seen from the “Renmei” side. Where as with “Shibata” style even though not formally starts with Zazen. Both systems say they are about developing the person not just the shooter. Both do lean more on one side than the other.

In the world of Tai Chi this is also true. There are schools that know nothing of the combat roots of Tai Chi, and others that stress that Combat path. Like Buddhisum I think the middle path is best… for the adverage person of this day and age. To be like the bamboo to bend in the storm, to grow and flower the roots must be deep and expansive . All the arts at some point cover the same elements. As with Feng Shui no matter the style one needs to understand the Five elements theory. In martial art it is Ki, Stance, Breath, Focus… Mind, Body, Spirit. No matter where you learn or from who, or what point on the circle you start from to be good you must have a balance of all three.

There is no duality in the arts they are all expression of the great TAO , Shin Zen Bi, flowers in a field, and as such all have the same need of balance of elements. In the Physical Arts it is mind, body and spirit. Back to my new student. Teaching her from this new base will give me a chance to refine the class curriculum for Japan as well as develop the language skill to instruct in, at least on a fundamental level, parts…ok at least a few words.



5 responses

11 10 2010
Accidental Aikidoist

Ah the last part of the 2nd to last paragraph made me think of Aikido. I’ve been told repeatedly that O’Sensei really stressed the importance of balance in martial art.

12 10 2010

Lately I’ve been wondering about the connection between body and mind. In the kyudo kyohon they talk about movement originating from the tanden (tan tien, dan tian), but I’ve rarely felt that connection. Meditation is something I’m a little familiar with, but it tends to be analytical, even though breathing is indeed focused at the tanden. From what you’ve written it sounds like perhaps a different sort of meditation practice is called for, plus these tai chi ways of moving and stance. Could you explain more, or is there a place I could find more information? Thanks!

12 10 2010

Karamatsu-san: The Chan Meditation I practice is different from Soto style which is common in Japan. Coming from Shaolin ( shorinryu ) it’s focus is in developing KI, for health, strength, and spiritual enlightenment. Not so Analytical or concerned with no thought, but connecting body Ki with the Universal Ki, that connection will quiet the mind in the process and enhance Physical activities, Kyudo, Tai Chi , Kung Fu, healing, etc.

This is the home site of our school:

12 10 2010

Oh, for what it’s worth, what I find in kyudo is, as you say, that the emphasis is first on learning the form, then once the body can carry out the form without the need for so much conscious planning, it seems that the emphasis can shift to the mind/spirit. At least that’s the approach I’ve read in the materials I’ve been given over time. Still, I can’t help but be interested.

7 10 2012

I am trying to find some results on Zazentae, it is an old Yakuza form of Kung Fu. Can anyone help me with some info or links. I found some Zazentae Masters in California years back that my father trained under, but I can not find anything on the internet about it anymore……..need help

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